Re: E-Coat Finish [ Started by pimpacop in General Discussion : 8 replies ]

That is great news.  Have you seen any improvement since the oil was changed?


Re: Voltage on acid chloride zinc bath [ Started by Daniel in Electroplating : 1 replies ]

I've never had a problem using a high voltage in my nickel baths, both rack and barrel.  The biggest problem with the baskets dissolving is when the nickel anode material gets too low.  I would suspect that the same thing applies in acid chloride zinc. 


Re: AMERICAN GREEN HARDWARE FINISH [ Started by kapoor1_1 in Electroplating : 1 replies ]

Do you have some more information on the finish? Here is a good site with many typical finishes and their spec numbers.

http://www.rensup.com/FinishStandardsAndSymbols.html


Re: stainless steel fryer needs repainting [ Started by shiree.jones in Article Submissions : 1 replies ]

What kind of properties are you looking for?  Typically, stainless steel is safe to cook on. 

Re: Nickel Plating, troubles pumping it [ Started by almonetas in Requests & Feedback : 4 replies ]

How does the impeller get bigger? Does it swell? Or does it get coated with something?

Re: High gloss black finish...what grade aluminium? [ Started by chrissmith in Anodizing : 1 replies ]

The alloy of the aluminum does play a big part in how it can be finished successfully. The alloy is usually chosen with other parameters in mind too, like machinability, corrosion resistance, strength, etc.  If you are open to changing your alloy, then by all means try out some different stuff.  However, if you are getting some good parts with the current alloy, it is more likely that the anodizer does not have good control over his process, which is resulting in the creation of bad parts. 

When looking at a different alloy, avoid silicon, magnesium, and copper.

Re: E-Coat Finish [ Started by pimpacop in General Discussion : 8 replies ]

You will probably want to use both an alkaline electro-cleaner and some sort of strong acid, perhaps in a double cycle. Using just the phosphoric acid won't touch any type of oily residue (which is typical of welding fluxes). I would also recommend that you turn up the temperature. With any cleaning process, it is usually dependent on 3 things: Time, Temperature, and Concentration. You've tried increasing the concentration already. Try increasing the temperature. You say you are currently at 135F. This is pretty low for ferrous metals, which are usually run at 160-180F or higher. But if you are using non-ferrous base metals, the 135F may be in range.

The double cycle I mentioned above would look like this:

Electrocleaner

Rinse

Acid

Rinse

Electrocleaner

Rinse

Acid

Rinse


I would also suggest that you contact your supplier of these parts and get an MSDS for the welding rod/wire, plus any flux and rust preventativ …

Re: E-Coat Finish [ Started by pimpacop in General Discussion : 8 replies ]

You can easily create some very stubborn compounds when you subject dirt and oils to the high temperatures of welding. I would agree with you that the problem most likely is that the parts are not properly cleaned. I would suggest that you try to clean some parts before welding and see how these come out. If you are doing the cleaning yourself, you should be able to see any cleaning deficiencies with a water break test. After cleaning, the parts can be dipped in water and it should sheet evenly off of the part. If the water beads up or "breaks", the part is still dirty.

Re: "Shelving" effect? Anyone heard of this? [ Started by jedidavid2000 in Zinc Plating : 1 replies ]

This is commonly called shelf roughness.  And your plater is correct.  It happens when suspended particulate matter falls onto the horizontal surfaces of the parts and is "locked" in place by the continued plating action.  This is usually an easy problem to correct. 

First, the source of the roughness must be found and corrected.  This could be a torn anode bag, debris and junk on the bottom of the tank, or a faulty filter.  There are also other causes.  Once the cause has been identified, it needs to be repaired.

Second, you need to remove whatever debris is already in the bath.  99% of the time, you can do this with the correct type of filtration.  A 10 micron filter media is adequate in most cases.  A problematic bath like this is should have at least 3 or 4 turnovers per hour, calculated with the media in place.  I have seen numerous filtration systems that are grossly undersized.  The manufacture …

Re: How to avoid powder on machined part [ Started by sushant in Powder Coating : 2 replies ]

Try to find a supplier for masking products.  They make several different types of plugs, caps, and other items that may work for you.

Re: Greenish antique brass [ Started by kapoor1_1 in Electroplating : 1 replies ]

The green is from the copper oxidizing.  You can try to plate a high-copper brass alloy to help give you the color you want.  Also, I recall that there is a chemical that I used to use to give me the verdi gris finish.  But I don't remember the name.

Re: Nickel Plate blistering after hyro Embrittlement [ Started by msm519 in General Discussion : 2 replies ]

Blistering is usually caused by poor adhesion.  Have you checked your pretreatment process baths?  Your acid solution is usually the first to cause adhesion problems, and it is also usually the least expensive to make up new.  Have you done a water break test to verify that the parts are clean?  If, after the acid tank, any water beads on the surface of the part, it is not clean.  The water should run off in a smooth sheet. 


What thickness of nickel are you plating?  Sometimes a thicker deposit will not stretch and bend when heated in an oven.

Re: Possible sources of Chloride cantamination in hard chrome bath? [ Started by medic362 in Electroplating : 6 replies ]

Do you have any sources of chloride in the pretreatment or pre-chrome baths? I would check each and every bath, going down the line from the chrome bath and seeing if this leads anywhere. Also check your incoming water supply.  

Re: Porosity ( bubbles ) in sulfamate nickel plating [ Started by Batta in Electroplating : 2 replies ]

Typically pitting is caused by gas bubbles formed during the plating operation.  Usually, a wetting agent is added to the bath to facility the removal of the bubbles during the process.  This, when combined with some sort of solution movement (via air agitation, mechanical movement, etc), usually eliminates the pitting.  Your supplier could also try to use a lower current during the plating process to slow down the formation of the gas bubbles, in effect giving more time for the bubbles to dissipate.  But first I would have them check the wetting agent and solution movement.


A copper strike under the Ni wouldn't have much affect on the pitting (although it would help with the corrosion, as you mentioned)

Re: trivalent black chromate on acid zinc [ Started by eastvin in Zinc Plating : 1 replies ]

The process is the same for the trivalent black.  I've used A Brite's trivalent black (BrightGuard Pitchblack TC) over acid zinc with good results.  The use of a post-dip sealant is required.  I also had much better success when I used their pre-dip between the zinc plate and chromate baths. 

Re: Rusting spots occur on electroplated lacquered surface after few days. [ Started by kapoor1_1 in Electroplating : 11 replies ]

Unless you are stripping down to the base metal, polishing the base metal, and then going through a complete replate cycle, you are probably not removing all of the rust. The residual rust will easily come back.

Re: Rusting spots occur on electroplated lacquered surface after few days. [ Started by kapoor1_1 in Electroplating : 11 replies ]

Is this a new problem? Have your parts been free from rust previously, and only now are showing signs of early oxidation?

The lacquer and the electroplating are supposed to improve the corrosion resistance of the underlying metal. As Jim said, this problem could be a defect from the lacquer. But the fact that they are rusting so quickly could also mean that the nickel layer is insufficient.

Re: Applying copper to brass [ Started by Dr. A. in Electroplating : 1 replies ]

First, I have a question for you: what is the alloy of the brass? Does it contain any lead?

To answer your questions:

1.Yes, I would put in an alkaline anodic cleaner. Just because the wire is "clean" does not mean that it is plating-quality clean. Beware anything with too much caustic, as it can easily oxidize and discolor the brass, making the downstream acid have to work that much better.

2. I love cathodic acid cleaning. I've always used sulfuric acid for this application or a sulfuric acid derivative (GBS acid salt).

3. I've used carbon/graphite anodes. They have a limited amount of current that they can carry, so take this into consideration.

4. Rinsing can be a difficult item to decide upon until the line is actually in production. The primary function of the rinse is to prevent carryover from one process into the next. While fresh water sprays would probably be best, reusing the water should be okay, assuming that …

Re: Scale left from lazer cutting [ Started by tdeplating in Zinc Plating : 6 replies ]

Scale and residue can be very problematic. Currently, my plant is experiencing a similar issue introduced during our cold forming operation.We have successfully cleaned the parts using a standard pretreatment cycle (alkaline soak/electrocleaner and acid) and then going into a chemical polish. We've tried all manner of cleaners, descalers, acids, and multi-step cycles with limited success. But the chem polish has worked wonders, plus the immersion time is minimal. We are currently in the process of adding this process to our production lines.

Re: Scale left from lazer cutting [ Started by tdeplating in Zinc Plating : 6 replies ]

I'm not familiar with laser cutting. Does it leave a physical residue, or is it more like a heat stain? Each has its own recommended cleaning process.

Re: Aluminum versus Titanium contacts for type 3 anodizing [ Started by Rami in Anodizing : 3 replies ]

I don't recall off the top of my head what our thinnest wall dimensions were. I think most of our stuff was 1/8" or thicker.

Regarding the contacts for the racks, both titanium and aluminum have their pros and cons. With aluminum you must strip and clean the contacts after each and every cycle. This is usually fairly simple, most often consisting of the normal etch and desmut steps of the normal aluminum pretreatment. And the contacts must be fairly strong to avoid any movement of the part during the process. I always recommended the use of at least 2 opposing contact points, preferably 3 or more contact points. If the part can wiggle on the rack, it is not secure enough.

Re: Aluminum versus Titanium contacts for type 3 anodizing [ Started by Rami in Anodizing : 3 replies ]

I've always used aluminum contacts for my Type III work.

And regarding your wall thickness, remember that anodizing converts the existing metallic aluminum into aluminum oxide. So, it will continue to consume the metal Al as it forms the oxide. If you have a very thin part, it is possible that the entire piece will be converted to the oxide. And this process is never 100% efficient, in that some of the aluminum will be dissolved into the anodizing bath.You may want to consider this and redesign your part so that you yield a finished piece with the dimensions you require.

Re: Cloudy Ni Sulfamate Deposit With Pitting [ Started by RobertB in Electroplating : 4 replies ]

I've always leached my string-wound filters, but then again, I'm paranoid about these things. ;-)

Re: Anodize chipping / flaking after pressure test [ Started by Joe G. in Anodizing : 3 replies ]

Do you have any pictures? This might help us identify any problems.

Re: Iron fines and microspalling [ Started by mark robison in Electroplating : 3 replies ]

Are you talking about hard chrome plating or decorative chrome plating? I've never come across pitting in decorative chrome plating. But I HAVE seen it in the underlying nickel plating.